This link posted this morning on FB prompted the following discussion by some friends…..
The idiocy is spreading
www.boortz.com
"This contraception thing … are you operating under the mistaken impression that what we’ve been talking about here is a right to use contraception?...."
Friend 1 Let me think -- oh yeah, insurance will pay for VIAGRA for men to get erections to have sex but not for birth control to prevent pregnancy? How about insurance stop paying for the little blue pills? Or mandate that if insurance pays for Viagra or other erection starters then it MUST pay for birth control to prevent pregnancy? How about that?
Kat the Geekess Suits me. I don't want to pay for anyone's Viagra, either. (And it's Connecticut that mandates Viagra/hair transplants be covered by Insurance policies, IIRC.)
Friend 1 Other insurance companies also have Viagra covered but NOT birth control.
Friend 2: It depends on the insurance companies. Most companies DONT cover viagra.
Kat the Geekess It's about mandates. Government shouldn't mandate that you HAVE to buy this or that. No matter what this or that is.
Friend 3 Birth control is basic medical care.
AND it is WAY less expensive than a BABY.
People that don't believe in birth control and even abortion (which has only ever been covered in extremely specific situations) shouldn't use it themselves.
Kat the Geekess It's not about birth control. That's the distraction in this issue.
Friend 1 Kat the Geekess, no one is mandating ANYONE buy birth control. They are setting minimums for what insurance MUST cover. At one point they wouldn't cover pregnancy. Then it was mandated.
Friend 3 "Hypocricy: Demanding that the government stay out of your bedroom while demanding they pay for your birth control and abortions."
That's *exactly what it's about. Yeah. Insurance should cover it. And it is *not hypocricy at all.
Kat the Geekess And once again, it's NOT about BC. This started with PrezBO saying that the church owned organizations (particularly the Catholic Church) would have to provide BC for their employees. Then PrezBO decided after the initial outcry that the INSURANCE companies would have to pay for it (and that would mean an increase in rates for EVERYBODY who has that company's policy). Then this chick (Fluke-Google her-she's a radical, might be a plant) pops up at a CATHOLIC JESUIT university demanding they pay for her BC. She's a distraction from the real story: The GOVERNMENT is trying to MANDATE to a RELIGIOUS group (or any other group, for that matter).
Friend 1 The government is in our bedrooms.. The moment they decided that Marriage is between a man and woman because the religious groups demand that, they are in our bedrooms. The moment they outlawed polygamy they were in our bedrooms. The government has been in our bedrooms for a long long time. At the behest of the religious groups.
Friend 1 Obama did not state that church organizations would have to provide it -- he stated all employers would have to provide it and then shifted to all insurance companies. It was not singling out religions.
Friend 3 Religious groups running a profitable company hiring and serving the secular?
Abso-damn-loutely they should cover birth control. That they don't pay taxes because they are a "non-profit" "religious" institution is bull.
Kat the Geekess Alrighty, then. I'd prefer government NOT mandate to private businesses, citizens or anybody else. Guess that's just the libertarian in me.
Friend 4 Insurance pays for penis pumps and viagra. Why should it not also cover BC? In addition, I don't want employers determining what medications or treatments should be covered for their employees.
Kat the Geekess Then purchase your own health insurance. Let's get rid of the employee based health insurance and purchase our own. Then, you can have covered what you feel is important and I can have covered what I feel is important. Let's open up health insurance sales across state lines, create some competition.
Friend 3 Again, just because it is *availible for coverage doesn't mean that it *must be used.
Anyone supporting freedom of choice should support people deciding what is right for them. I personally don't want my boss making decisions about my family planning. I don't see why a religious organzation or any other should make such decisions for its employees either.
Friend 5 Insurance should be for emergencies. House burn down? Car wreck? Heart attack? Yes
Penis pump, no, Viagra, no, birth control, no. Offer it on the free market for $4 a pack. Over the counter. Problem solved.
Friend 5 Government should not control your life, or finance your life. Leave people alone to be free!!!
Friend 4 Kat, would you give me an example of what you are suggesting where it has been implemented? I would like to see some information that is not based on a model or theory.
Friend 3 $4, Friend 5?
Even *with insurance my BC costs me $15. The *cheapest option would cost me $8.
Too far to run over to Mexico or Canada to grab some.
And birth control should involve a gyn. OTC? Scary.
Kat the Geekess Auto insurance. Cars. Consumer goods in general. Health insurance is regulated by each state and health insurance companies not allowed to sell policies across state lines. That's why there's 50BCBS's and not one. It's the economics of scale, among other things.
When you buy car insurance, you can buy a policy online, at the local office or through the mail. You get to choose how much insurance you want and what will be covered. The companies all compete for your business and will offer you the lowest rate they can to get your dollar in their pocket. Health insurance doesn't work like that. And it should.
Friend 5 Why? You can buy aspirin, Tylenol, ibuphrophen, naproxin OTC. If birth control were free market like Mexico, it would be $4 just like all their meds
Friend 5 It's all a scheme buy govt and ins companies. Let citizens decide what to spend their money on. This fight isn't about birth control. It's about govt controlling our lives
Friend 5 And 1, it's a false argument to say"govt sometimes pays for Viagra, THEREFORE, they must pay for birth control." govt should pay for NEITHER, but govt has a real problem repealing bad mandates. We need to slag everything but emergencies, then let people pay for what they want.
Kat the Geekess There's the FDA tromping around like an elephant in a china shop, creating more regulations and driving up prices for compliance (and we're talking compounds that have proven effective and safe over the passage of time; they want paperwork, which costs money-and costs you money-because the companies that have the money for the paperwork will charge you more for the product without the competition of the smaller company with less overhead who can't afford to do the studies to back up the history of the product).
3.08.2012
Mr. Newt Campaigns in Bama
Went to the Newt Gingrich rally yesterday in Pell City, AL. Large, enthusiastic crowd; but they didn't know what to do with the signs handed out before the event.
Having listened to Mr. Newt's interviews with Neal Boortz and others since he began his campaign, I find his message is consistent, common-sense and on-target.
His plan for Inauguration Day: Sign the Repeal of ObamaCare; Executive Orders getting rid of the White House Czars and authorizing the Keystone Pipeline. His long-term plans: Bringing America back from the brink.
When Mr. Newt was in the House of Representatives the budget was balanced, taxes were lowered and the Federal Deficit was lessened. Though some of the 10 points of the Contract With America did not make it through the Senate, they made it through the House. While he was Speaker of the House, he was third in line for the Presidency and received briefings reflective of such.
Mr. Newt is a historian; he understands what makes America great. He has that sense of history. He is also pragmatic and practical. He is offering solutions instead of excuses. You can read them at his website here.
Bottom line: Mr. Newt is the man that America needs at this point in time.
The Opponents:
Sanctorum: We're not electing a Pope; we're electing the Leader of the Free World. His focus on Social Issues merely feed into the perceived notion that the GOP wants to control what happens in a citizen's private life.
Romney: Yeah. Obama Lite.
Any are preferable to the current incumbent. But Mr. Newt Gringrich is the one to get the job done. Let's not waste this chance.
Having listened to Mr. Newt's interviews with Neal Boortz and others since he began his campaign, I find his message is consistent, common-sense and on-target.
His plan for Inauguration Day: Sign the Repeal of ObamaCare; Executive Orders getting rid of the White House Czars and authorizing the Keystone Pipeline. His long-term plans: Bringing America back from the brink.
When Mr. Newt was in the House of Representatives the budget was balanced, taxes were lowered and the Federal Deficit was lessened. Though some of the 10 points of the Contract With America did not make it through the Senate, they made it through the House. While he was Speaker of the House, he was third in line for the Presidency and received briefings reflective of such.
Mr. Newt is a historian; he understands what makes America great. He has that sense of history. He is also pragmatic and practical. He is offering solutions instead of excuses. You can read them at his website here.
Bottom line: Mr. Newt is the man that America needs at this point in time.
The Opponents:
Sanctorum: We're not electing a Pope; we're electing the Leader of the Free World. His focus on Social Issues merely feed into the perceived notion that the GOP wants to control what happens in a citizen's private life.
Romney: Yeah. Obama Lite.
Any are preferable to the current incumbent. But Mr. Newt Gringrich is the one to get the job done. Let's not waste this chance.
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